It's just that wages and incomes are generally offensively low. It's not normal to receive a vapour bill the lower a pension, don't you think? So I think you spend excessively, you're just trying to lead a normal life without luxury, but also without misery.
Everyone has a choice - not to deprive themselves of anything or to deprive themselves of everything, saving some paper, which tomorrow will be devalued.
Well, I'm saving some money on my salary. Otherwise, consider throwing food, from there you can save money. On vacation, it's nice to go. I think it's normal, there are people who drive with less.
The cheapest usually comes out very expensive...
I live alone in Germany with 1000 Euro per month, of which:
350 Euro rent of one-bedroom dwelling 30 sq.m. M.
100 Euro heating, water, etc.
70 Euro electricity, telephone, internet, various fees.
A total of 520 Euro fixed costs per month.
The rest goes mainly for food, as almost every day I eat outside at lunchtime and so go on average to 10-15 Euros per day. I don't have a car, my job is a 10-minute walk from home, so I don't spend on transportation.
That's just for comparison. I also lived in Sofia without rent, there my expenses were towards BGN 700 with a comparable standard. Outside Sofia, it can be made with 500 leva per person, but it is vegetarian. So don't be surprised, for 3 people 1,500 leva is the minimum.
There are two conclusions:
1) In general, in BG it is about 30% cheaper if you do not consider the rent.
2) A salary of BGN 800 net is infinitely low and insufficient, but unfortunately massive for Bulgarian families. Even most are 600 leva each and still get better somehow.
It's expensive, it's expensive, but you spend a lot. Unless you're going to get money on the doctors, these are insatiable llamas. We are also a three-person and exactly 1500 bgn. we spend, but we go on vacations twice a year and have a drink. We're saving up. At home, though, there's a lot of cooking, and I'm a winter flyer on the bike. The only real problem is that winter is limited to heating. But I don't want to think about what would happen if one of us got sick.
It's been so expensive. We're renting and on loans, there's just nothing to come up with. Total home income $750, of which $400 for rent, otherwise on the street. We're thinking about overseas, but we don't have a ticket that way either.
How is it going to be a little cheaper here? That's the biggest lie. Food prices are the biggest lie!
It is not true, here it is even more expensive - food, fuel, vignettes, etc. With rent I spend 700 BGN, without it 400 and live in a vostified city. I do not limit myself from anything, smoke and go to the gym, beautician, even to a restaurant and disco I can afford to go 1-2 times a month, also almost every day I go to coffees. I don't have a car. When I've restricted itself like you, I've spent $200 a year. per month (excluding rent and bills).
When I read what you don't spend on it, it turns out you're spending £1,500 a month on bills, food and clothes for three people, which is a lot. Of course, it can not be much if you had large salaries, but one has to stretch according to your rug, and it is not normal for people with 800LV salary to have a bill for electricity over 100 BGN per month and a dress or sports team worth over 50-70LV.
500 BGN is quite enough for food for 3, 200 BGN bills and 200 BGN for clothes and small household meals per month, 50-80 BGN for transport and each month you should be able to set aside over 500 BGN for holidays restaurants and pleasures. This of course if you live within your means and not to struggle to look like a high society and buy phones for 1000 BGN.
We live two smokers with 800-900 BGN, with our other money we pay the dwelling in Bulgaria in a big city.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. Salaries in Bulgaria are really low compared to other countries, but I think you may be able to set aside some lev and allow yourself breaks with the salaries you have.
Indeed, sometimes there are extraordinary costs: some appliance can break down or need repairs- such costs cannot be avoided.
In my opinion, it is possible if you do food shopping once a week to buy things that are not used afterwards, some of them spoil? Or you buy more clothes/cosmetics that you don't use because you already have something else and prefer them. Some kind of expenses that are supposedly small, but accumulate.
For example, last month I bought a hair mask that was supposedly at a discount of a lot of the normal price, higher than the average, but I didn't like it and i'll still buy one I use. If it was bought at a discount it would be a saving, but in this case it's a cost that's redundant- I could have done it without it.
Try putting some limits - for example, the cost of the week to be 100-150 for food per week- there are recipes with fewer products to prepare, in my opinion, possible if the food is cooked at home. And just spend the time out thinking about them more.
I believe that you can set aside 150-200 BGN per month and still have for some holiday or sometimes a restaurant.
I justify to 1,000 leva per month. My friend less than 600, but he does not smoke or drink, and also does not go to cosmetic procedures. A total of 1,500 are enough, but this includes the budget of our pets, which is about 100 BGN per month, as well as reasonable going to the restaurants and small vacations in the country, as well as our bills. We don't pay rent. We don't have a car, I have a motorbike, but I drive it on a leap year, so it's not a big feather, literally this month I once loaded gasoline.
It's not as expensive as wages are small. That's the problem for me. The money you live with is small for people with a child, I don't judge you, the system is like this and it's hard. For Sofia 2500-3000 are difficult to reach a family.
You're in a huge mistake, buddy! Food and essentials in Bulgaria are some of the most expensive in Europe.
You spend a lot. We're a family of three, too, and I can tell you that we're living a good life with 500 lv. as 300 BGN are for food and 200 for bills. The rest of your $1,000, I don't know what they're going for, honestly. Your story is another attempt to explain to us Bulgarians that there was no money and we have to go abroad.
Judging by the comments, we seem to be spending a lot. The question of what we spend so much on. Next month I'll write down every expense and at the end of the month I'll process the data to see where they're going. Otherwise, prima vista, I think I'm pretty much guessing. We spend on food no more than about 400 BGN, on bills 200, on miscellaneous preparations, soft drinks, etc. maybe about 200 more. If once a month we go to a restaurant, it goes somewhere 50-100 bgn. Separately the garden of the small, transport and the like.
And every month they go to $500 for overtime. Absolutely every month there is something extraordinary. I'm going to have to change some kind of appliance, the little one's got to be smaller, and I'm going to have to change the wardrobe, somebody's phone is going to break, and you're going to need a new one, and so on.
But it's a vague idea, I have to write it down to see more real. According to the unions, the normal cost to the province is $585 per person with no rentals, loans, car maintenance and breaks. According to them, we spend even a little less than normal.
I'il analyze in more detail next month and see if there's anything that can be saved.
I want to say one thing only, and everyone will draw their own conclusion: so a few months ago I took from a pharmacy from my hometown, which is medium for Bulgaria, an intimate gel /made in Germany, if for someone matters in this case/ and paid for it N BGN. Recently I took exactly the same product from a pharmacy in Sofia for 7 leva cheaper.
Up to 2 - It sounds like, they asked, whether to buy a third car, for safaris or save to buy a new villa on the sea.
The smart guy always has some money set aside, because it's better to miss one or two fun, begging for food, if it happens, to lose your income at the beginning of the month. I'm not telling you to roll around in cash, but at the same time, wear second-hand clothes.
14, what $500? The poverty threshold in Bg gives it 330 per person, demec 1000 for three. You with 500 should barely survive. And the expenses aren't just eating and bills. I guess you shower once in a while. That's why you need soap and shampoo. Besides, i don't think you walk naked. Clothes aren't free either. You have transport, repairs and replacement equipment, etc. things and a bunch of others.
1500 BGN per month - this is my salary, which we have two people. We only live with this money, because my husband's income goes to repay old loans he has accumulated alongside his ex-wife. We're both from Sofia, we work here, I have my own place, that is. we don't pay rent. That £1,500 only to maintain the sanitary minimum of human sing-and-human. Outside of household expenses - bills, cleaning products, household trifles, public transport cards and food (I always cook, we do not buy semi-finished products, nor do we order on the phone) we allow ourselves once a month to go out for dinner with friends, once every two months tickets to a theater or concert, once a month - hairdresser, rarely - clothes (most of them buy them second hand, find completely new things) and also rarely - books. Just without these little things, a man ceases to be human and becomes a scott! That's why I'd rather dye my own hair at home, but buy the book I want to read. My husband outside the home only allows one beer after working with colleagues. Lunch brings from us, lying at work that he is on a special diet prescribed to him by a doctor, and therefore only eats homemade food. In short, we need to splint ourselves in front of the world in order to be able to stay in the social circle that our education and professions suggest. So I answer the question asked by the author of the subject: no, do not spend much, just money is small.
Life in society is becoming increasingly expensive, but mostly in terms of culture, conscience and spiritual cohesion. Restriction is not the solution, and war is even more pointless. But the humility and obedience of those who want and fight claws, proud of greed, hypocrisy and vicious spirit, distorted spirit in imperialism - there should be no. And this struggle, fighting against these forces that turn us into loose nits consuming the most harmful foods, breathing the dirtiest air irradiated by the most harmful radiation, must be relentlessly cruel. Because the fate of this materialism is the total destruction of nature and the reasonable existence of people here. A government imposed with fear always has its end. And unfortunately, it's all in the hands of the average person. Why? Well, capital merges with the state. Politics is on this capital.
Me and my girlfriend spend about £4,000 a month without including car support and rent (which are about another £1,800).
I only order from restaurants and my food alone is about 1300-1500 BGN per month.
Separately, I drink almost half a bottle of whisky every night and smoke two cans of cigarettes (which comes in at around £800 a month).
In general, I do not buy any branded clothes, perfumes, etc.
My girlfriend constantly shops for cheap clothes and shoes and mainly by appearance ,but we both eat healthy and go three or four times a year abroad holidays and every weekend somewhere else.
We're both 24 and we don't have mom and dad just have businesses.
After looking at statistics and a consumer basket look at what is in it and how much it is determined by the statistics to spend on food, bills, etc.
Let me first explain to you that the consumer basket does not mean what you will spend, but is based on average consumption, if, for example, the state reports that there are 3 billion beers sold a year immediately this is included in the consumer basket and it is calculated that the Bulgarian needs 35 beers per month, regardless of whether you drink beer. So in 2010 and civil marriage entered the consumer basket. Although we all do not get married every month we find ourselves there in the basket for example 70st for a wedding monthly to collect once in a lifetime enough for a 1/2 modest wedding.
So in the described amount of 585LV enters both money for your beer and for your wedding, for your fervex monthly you are allocated pennies even though you drink it 1-2 times a year, fuel and repair for the car and the price of its purchase, regardless of whether you will ever have a car. To feel what I'm talking about, I'll tell you that the monthly consumer basket includes 0, 43BGN for a new refrigerator and 2,34BGN for eggs.
And the survival of which the author speaks of without alcohol without cigarettes, without a car, without rent, without loan, no breaks, etc. according to statistics amounts to less than 300 BGN per person.
If you want in detail the monthly basket for one person.
7, 4 kg bread
3, 8kg meat
5, 8kg vegetables
4kg fruit
2,2 litres of alcohol, etc.
One hat a year, one outerwear on 3d once and and and and.
Dear author, you do not spend much at all, on the contrary you try not to live like scots. It is simply that in Bulgaria wages are infinitely low, and life is very expensive according to income. Read the theme on this site: "How much do you spend per month on food? Please share because I'm worried" and you'll get more impressions. The fact that some people in Bulgaria want to live as Scots does not make them heroes at all or explains the "high standard of living in the country".
Author, I'm going to let myself give you a little different view of the situation. Are you spending a lot or is life expensive?
I personally live with 1200-1500 per month, 300 of which go for rent. I mean, I spend between 900 and 1200 just for myself, and I feel normal. That is, from my point of view, life is expensive and the money you make is insufficient. But ask a grandmother with $300. pension - you will wonder where you give it this money. And I know people with $5,000. who wonder where their money goes.
Making money and managing personal finances are two different skills. I'il give you two basic principles:
- Save first, then spend. If we decide to save what's left, there's nothing left. That's how the human brain works, we always find something to buy. You can start with a little 10 or even 5% of your income. And you're trying to get the rest of it right. At the beginning of the month, I make a budget, write my upcoming spending on a file and then, if I want something outside the budget, I think what I can deprive myself this month to buy what I want. I avoid spending on pre-determined.
- Write down all your expenses. A few months, don't even deprive yourself, just write it down. Then see where the most money goes. Then decide which of these feathers you can cut without significantly reducing the quality of your life. For example, I found that I give a lot of money for eating in restaurants, and in reality nothing prevents me from cooking food for 2-3 days ahead. And I've cut back on spending without much deprivation.
- You're up to your financial culture. People are massively financially illiterate - both in Bulgaria and in the West. A few books that helped me - Robert Kiyosaki's "Rich Dad, Poor Dad," George Clayson's Richest Man in Babylon, and Vicky Robbins and Joe Dominguez's "Money or Life."
Success!
Since I started doing the above things, my financial life has improved considerably. I've never had enough money for anything before.
Of course, it is good to strive to raise income, but this does not undo the need for proper management of personal finances.
The country of the working poor - in this, unfortunately, became Bulgaria. There is no other country in Europe (and not only) where a full-time person cannot pay their food and bills, let alone go out to live the rent floor. It's no coincidence that he's lame and he's running abroad.
That's what they're guilty of, alcohol and corruption.
That's the kind of thing I hate you. Here they write only some simple, complex, sociopathic, peasants. So there was no money, no work in other towns and villages. You don't just want to work physically, you have to come to Sofia to get drunk, get high, get high, fuck and sleep all day, where your parents won't get you in your head. You do not work, and also work by paying 500 BGN. rent what money you will have as each night you are at a pub and disco to throw 50 BGN. That's so brazen and stupid. And you expect you to become millionaires and your dreams break right away, so you start blaming the state. First you are guilty of the small town or village, then you come to Sofia and it is to blame after which the whole of Bulgaria is bad, then western European countries are deified. He went to Germany, stayed for three months and returned as a beaten martyr and began to mourn. In the end, it turns out that Europe is nothing to do with it, and it starts with the worship of America. -
My son went to America and after a month he bought a house with a pool and a car. That's right. However, after eight years, he returned naked like a shotgun with 20,000 mental health problems. And his son bursts into tears when he steps on a home land, even though he lived here only his first five or six years.
27, 'i'm sorry' for your son, I guess the other contestants and them like me, but please don't let yourself define people you don't know.
Moreover, the topic is not that there is no work, but that the pay is low, and at the same time the prices of basic necessities are quite inflated in quite a few places.
UP TO 14/27
I did not understand exactly what and who commented on rupture, but watching what kind of hatred flows from your comment, it is funny to accuse people of not loving Bulgaria.
You turned to "hey" (who hates them- who they are), but I didn't know who they were. I didn't see anyone in the comments who worshipped America or mentioned that he wasn't working, or he was going to Sofia in the hope of becoming a millionaire.
I do not know exactly who this person is, who you have described, because there are all sorts of people – from successful abroad to complete losers in and out of Bulgaria, so your comment remains hanging in the air and, to put it mildly, ridiculous and generalizing.
In short, pointless, but mean, without knowing exactly who the malice is against.
But anyway, everyone has an opinion. I'm just out of my comfort zone because of the bewilderment of what and who you want to say. But strange people all kinds of things. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Good day!
Author
PS: I am not an author, but an author
The author is No14/27 in his own way, he has tried to explain that he is tired of people who greatly magnify the lives of foreigners and because of their own failures to spit on Bulgaria. His comments seem to be aimed at you, because you in your theme compare the net Bulgarian minimum wage 400LV with a figure of 2-3000 euros, which exceeds the average GROSS European. You compare the net salary of our cleaner and the gross of a German engineer who has a graduate and has years of work experience in Germany, you expect them to live on the same standard perhaps?
Yes No14 is a poor person on low incomes, maybe he has a low education or pays housing or rent, but he manages to cope with the person, but this only proves that you are the author of the man with a good education, his own housing and the enviable salary of 1500 BGN you can not cope.
You envy the Europeans for their salaries, but do you wonder how they achieved them? You don't handle 1,500 BGN in Bulgaria, but have you thought how much the standard of living you can afford in Germany or England, for example, will you be able to achieve a salary with which to afford it? 200 BGN for preparations and non-alcoholic, it amazed me what preparations you use and how many non-alcoholic drinks that cost 200 BGN. 100BGN for a restaurant for 1 walk without drinking alcohol, what restaurants do you visit? I don't know, but I think that a salad with 1 dish and 1 soft drink comes out a total of 10-12BGN, you write that you are from the middle Bulgarian city, so the prices in your restaurants would not be much what, if you went the three to give 30-35BGN, although a child who is old to go to kindergarten could not eat as much food as for an adult and the logical thinking parent would not order him a salad and a dish with a dish. Your message for 400BGN of food per month and 100 BGN for 1 restaurant makes me think you're full. 500BGN for unforeseen expenses are also an awful lot, equipment is bought on average at 15-20g once, phones on average 3-5 years old, clothes to put on a child how often and how expensive it should be for all Bulgarians to dress their children, even those with 400BGN salary their children do not walk naked. A consumer basket includes 0, 43st for a new refrigerator every month, or 1,72 BGN of the total family budget, specialists found that at about 20-30 years old it is normal for the Bulgarian family to buy a new refrigerator.
30, bro, are you all right? Only at my expense did you realize we were fat? Are you kidding me? I was on my way to answer, but when I got to this, I decided there was no point in doing it with a guy like you. You didn't even understand why I set an example abroad. Don't take my expenses literally, I just gave some guidance. I didn't mean them, I didn't mean anything. It is not said that these costs are exactly for preparations, but simply for other goods other than food. By restaurant I mean and exits - cinema, children's centers, etc.
We're also a family of three, and I can tell you that we're living well with £500. as 300 BGN are for food and 200 for bills. "
Okay, let's say three. 3 leva, you can eat food, which does not make you, become 200 kilos, and still, not make you galvanizing and have the full range of substances you need to be healthy.
200 BGN for bills? If it's heating, electricity, water and the internet, great!
It's all the other expenses?
Transport? Cleaning products? Hygiene? Cosmetics? Clothes and shoes? Education? Hobbies? Entertainment? A gym card or some kind of sport? And of course - Rent?
Or were you lucky to be an only child and your parents handed you an apartment that now, not to pay just a garbage tax and building tax?
Or by life, you only understand sitting at home and eating revalued foods?
Number 9 and number 30 are the same person. The hash is understood to be. In number 9, he claims that two spent £900, that is. 450 BGN per person and this must be a lot of frugal spending, but in number 30 blames me for spending a lot after spending three of 500 BGN, that is. 1500 BGN
In short, they spend 450 and are very frugal, and we are 500 and we are spillers.
How thin is the difference between a saver and a spiller. It turned out to be only 50 BGN.
By 33, you've been told that we're both smokers and we're only allowing for cigarettes on a box for 30 days 30 days 150BGN per person 200 BGN of the advertised 900BGN, and you take out 1-2 beers so that in order to live like you without cigarettes and alcohol per month we will spend 270 BGN per person.
So the difference between a spiller and a normal non-smoker becomes 130BGN, which for three is 390 BGN.
Ops 230 by 3 makes 690BGN I draw from 400BGN per person and you spend 500lv
34,
So you call a normal life a life of $270 a month?! Just to tell you, the poverty line in Bulgaria is currently BGN 330. That is, for you, 18% below the threshold of distress is a normal life. Well.
If I can tell you, you made some kind of epochal discovery without you knowing. You found a way to live normally with the money below the poverty line.
No, it's a joke, seriously. I'm asking you how to spend like you and live a normal life. I'd be so grateful to explain to you, because you're going to save me a fortune, and I'm going to give you 20% of my money saved every month. But we're talking about a normal life, aren't we? Not to drive cigarettes and beers without eating or staying under the quilt for the winter not to pay for the heating, or to buy second-hand clothes and not to get them off our asses for 10 years.
By the way, I am very interested in how winter is heated and eaten at 270 BGN per month, that you also have left for some other luxuries such as water, internet, phone calls and medicines during winter flus and colds.
Speaking of medication, the little one gets sick every month and one illness costs me up to £300. Separately in a month and I change the wardrobe entirely barbar with shoes, because it grows like a sponge. And separately, some indulgence like giving her a birthday, for example, which gives me a minimum of BGN 200, because I can't invite half of her friends, and the other to ignore them, not to mention invite the parents of the children because we know each other. Besides, I can't keep her at home every day, so once a month we go to the movies. So the ticket is about 15-20 bgn, because I can't let her go on my own. Separate transport there and back, separately to buy her popcorn, car and tem like. If I can't buy her once a month and only close her at home, or she's only playing on the playground every day, then what's normal life we're talking about?
I think you missed in your service that we were talking about a normal life, not survival on the edge. I could make a $100 for a month if it comes to it. If I walk to work, eat only toast with margarine for lev and pick my herbs to treat winter and wood from the forest to heat or not to heat myself, I will probably fit in in 100 BGN.
Does the poverty threshold include paying for a home with the other part of my income, or if your mother gave you a home, you don't consider buying a home as an expense? When a person wants to buy something big, it is normal to enter into a sum that allows him to buy it. When a person has goals, they can learn to do their math so that they can achieve them. I forgot to tell you that with this 900bgn a month and a car we have and a vignette we have paid, you and a car do not support who can do it. You have decided that vacation is not so important to you to be worth saving and you prefer to give 200 BGN for preparations, the solution is yours for me at the moment buying a home is more important.
It seems you are just younger and do not remember the hungry years around 2000, I do not know who calculates this poverty threshold, but in 2000 the average male salary was 250 BGN bills were not much different, if you heated your room well, it was normal to have a 100BGN electricity bill, the prices of oil-2LV, sugar-1,50lv, meat 5lv/kg etc. food was not much cheaper and difficult but we survived, today, but today someone claims that the poverty threshold was 330lv and you repeat like a parrot, and you do not know how it was considered, nor do you have any idea what poverty is. Well, in 2000, we stood under the quilts to have food.
"By the way, I'm very interested in how winter heats up and eats at $270 a month, that you're still for some other luxuries like water, the internet, phone calls and medicines during winter flus and colds."
Today, i am not heated, my home is south facing with Bulgarian wooden frames of 700lv sq/m and very well sanitized the outer walls are type "wafer", when outside is 1 degree at home is 22 degrees without heating, the summer without cooling only lowers the day until I am gone, the blinds. My contract phone is 16BGN per month with unlimited free minutes to all and 8,000 internet, and the person I live with is on beans- no fee, as he talks about 10st per minute, he only calls me when he has something to say to me, with his relatives talking in the evening from my wire, and with other people he does about 20-30 minutes a month, which means 2-3lv, the home net and TV I share with the neighbor for years 10 lv we have TVs and quite good net speed he only uses the Wi-fi router is with me. But this is due to god and the food we eat, and maybe our mood, we're happy.
I don't know how curing your child's colds costs you £300, if it cost so many children to people on the minimum wage or the poor to die. Whether it's ok to stuff it with so many drugs, you decide, but your child has a big problem if his annual drug cost is 1800 BGN, and if he drinks all this in the future the health of the liver, kidneys, etc. internal organs scare me, poor child. My nephew is 7 years old and treats in 90% of domestic cases, which his family doctor writes, who is separate and herbalist. For example, anti-vomiting mint tea, anti-cough hot Coca cola in which one apple and 5 locums are boiled, anti-angina lemon juice with honey and bread soda and the large so we treat our doctor sells honey, which he himself produced, on request makes jars of honey and herbs inside. I remember when the little one was a baby and he was getting chopped up, the doctor said to fry leaves of plantain and calendula flowers in pure lard, strained and the fat is used instead of cream, perfect for skinned and irritated skin and heals faster than "bochko". And to everyone in the family, the doctor has banned the non-alcoholic with the exception of the cough medicine :).
I don't know if it's okay to take the child to the movies to drink a car, you know, at the other time of the month, doesn't he watch enough screens on TVs and phones to still burden his eyes and minds with other people's fantasies? Isn't it an age in which to develop his own fantasy? We go to the forest or fish on a tent is to put for 15BGN of fuel, but we spend our weekend in nature, pour water from a real spring, buy vegetables and other necessities from a village from a relative and its neighbors, and more cheap and clean, and we help them with the money, and such food makes us healthier. They give us the aunt eggs of 20st the number of free-range hens on grazing, better than the bio in the store.
Spices such as parsley, mint, rosemary, basil, oniongrass, etc. we grow on the balcony instead of flowers, we have all year round.
You're pretty sure you change your child's wardrobe and shoes six times a year, you think we kids haven't seen it, but let's have it, and yet the choice is yours, if you want to change his wardrobe every week, to make a fashionable child.
"Does the poverty threshold include paying for a home with the other part of my income"
You said yourself, with the other part. Demek separately has other income to pay off the loan. The poverty threshold doesn't include loans, rents and the like, and you didn't include them in that £900. I don't see a problem here.
"your mother gave you a place to live, you don't think of it as a expense"
I bought it myself on credit. But that $1,500 doesn't include that cost. I deliberately didn't mention that it didn't get divorced. Because some would have taken it.
"I forgot to tell you that with this 900bgn a month and a car we have a vignette we paid"
So you don't even live 18%, but much more below the poverty line. From £270 you have electricity, water, transport, elevator, internet and a phone of at least £50-100, even if you live like a scott without showering and washing. Separately, you have car maintenance, detergents, clothes, repairs if necessary, unforeseen expenses such as medicines and the like, etc. That's £3 a day or $1 per meal. What do you eat at all? That she's a slice of margarine. There are things that people have to say vegetables, fruits, meat, dairy, eggs that aren't even a luxury, can you imagine?
In 2000, you conveniently missed that prices were at times lower. The eggs were 5-6 st., the gasoline under the lev, the current was 10 st., the transport was 30 st., cubic water was pennies, now it was 3 BGN, the cheese was 2 BGN of the real, the good vodka was 3-4 bgn, the cigarettes were under lev, etc. We then used an apartment at the center for BGN 60 per month. I don't know what you've been heated since 2000, but we paid 40 bgn of winter.
They didn't put it that way, and don't tell me that 18 years ago the prices were the same, because I'm not 10 and I know what the prices were. I moved to the city in 2000, and I remember very well what the prices were.
"I am not heated, my apartment is south-facing with Bulgarian wooden frames of 700lv sq/m and very well sanitized "
Well, some people present themselves are heated. As amazing as it sounds to you. And this heating is not a luxury, but a normal life. And that $270 isn't enough for heating. And I'm also interested in how with that £270 you bought the joinery and the renovation. Once again, I'm convinced you've mastered photosynthesis. And our phones are not $1,000, but $200 chinese smartphones from Aliexpress.
"well, I'm healthy"
Some people get sick quite often in winter. Especially the kids. In addition, children non-stop grow and constantly need new clothes and shoes. The garden separately - fees and every week always for something collect money.
I don't know why he's sick. We've tried a lot of things - and the doctors can't help us, but it's sick. It's just that when he gets sick once, he can't get better for weeks, and he's on medication all the time. In fact, the last 1-2 years has been less sick, but that's because we're also buying a very expensive immunostimulant that we order from the Us. It's the only way he's been able to get a little attached. And when she gets sick, she infects us, which is still money.
I haven't read your comment that I'm in a hurry now.
Let's make a watch. You eat normal healthy food, pay normal bills without depriving yourself, maintain a car, buy all the necessary goods, weekends go out somewhere in the wild and maintain your home, put up to your windows, renovation and it from the expensive, etc.
I can only say one thing- either you're lying about living normally, or you've made an epochal discovery that no one has ever made before.
Whatever I think, I don't have your bills. Food I put 1 lev to food and this for me is not a normal meal at all, because it 1 tomato costs at least 50 st. for meat, cheese (normal, not with palm oil) and such things, not to mention, so I do not see how you will eat 1 lev, but anyway. Phone 15 LV, water if you shower and wash at all, of course, is 5-10 BGN per person, asañor 5 LV, internet 10 per person, cable 5 LV, transport to work for example 40-50 BGN. For going out alone said transport 15 BGN for two, demec 7.50 per person per week or 30 BGN. By billing them all things are about $120 plus $100 for food if you eat super cheap food. It's £220.
Car maintenance - 100 LV vignette, 40 BGN review, 150-200 insurance, tax of at least 30 BGN for small-scale, separate consumables, tyre replacement, repairs. Whatever you look at it, you're at least $400-$500 a year, or $40 a month or $20 per person.
It's £240.
From then on you have preparations, consumables (e.g. paper), clothes, shoes, unforeseen expenses such as medicines, something if it breaks and you have to change it, from time to time some appliance is required to change, property taxes for example, holidays for which you need to shop, birthdays on which you need to buy gifts, invite guests, some months, for example, you may have to have a ticket , fishing rods and these things about hobbies as you said that he likes to fish and a bunch of other unforeseen, extraordinary costs are imposed sometimes.
And all this you do with 30 bgn on average per month, and from them you even manage to set aside for joinery and renovation? And by the way, a few years old, I guess you have to change the car, too, because you can't drive it forever, can you?
There's no power in the world to convince me that you're doing all this stuff with $30. Sorry.
Like you lied about prices in 2000, I guess you're lying about your expenses to get your ego and get a big deal on my back. But I advise you, if you're going to do it, to do it with truth, not lies. Or at least lie more crediblely.
If you have a degree, you'il have 22 without heating, if the second degrees are Fahrenheit...
But anyway, :)
It's a bigger farce than I've read in years. One accused the others of being degenerate because they were spending £100 a month, and others blamed the former npe being stingy.
Instead of making reasonable suggestions, you are just arguing without respecting other people. Is it so complicated to see five compatriots helping each other, not getting into a fight? Come on, people! We can do better!
40, yes, you're right. But it me off the fact that he's trying to convince me that with $270, you can live normally, which is complete nonsense. Yes, there are people who live with so much, but this is not a normal life.
I'm just when some people try to convince me of some ridiculous things and they do the.
Yes, and this 22 degrees is the other thing. I can only believe that if someone lights a stove underneath and they warm themselves from the chimney and have some amazing insulation.
And what they do when it gets under 1 degree out there is also a hint. Probably of that £270 is heated, among other things.
I don't know, and it's just one normal meal. And he spends more on bills, heating, car, renovation, joinery, exits, all other essential goods and services.
So, number 40, I caught arguing with this guy because I hate being made a fool of me.
And as for reasonable suggestions, as you can see, it's not going to happen. Because for one it is wise to sit under the quilt, so as not to push 10 bgn more for electricity, for others it is wise to behave like humans, and not as cavemen of the primitive structure, even though they spend some 100 bgn more, which for some people are obviously such a huge expense that they make from a savings bohemian.
It's just that different people have different notions of reason.
n40, it is en masse, unenviable what the topic is about. g30
I invite special No40 to our country next Christmas to see that it is a reality without heating to achieve 22 degrees when outside is 1 degree!
"In 2000, you conveniently missed that prices were at times lower. The eggs were 5-6 st., the gasoline under the lev, the current was 10 st., the transport was 30 st., cubic water was pennies, now it was 3 BGN, the cheese was 2 BGN of the real, the good vodka was 3-4 bgn, the cigarettes were under lev, etc. We then used an apartment at the center for BGN 60 per month. I don't know what you've been heated since 2000, but we paid £40 this winter.'
And now check your memories again, because there is information on the Internet that eggs in 2000G were 16 ST, CHEESE 3.64 st- stock prices, in the 1980s cheese was 2, 30, eggs 8-10st you fool us that in 2000 it was cheaper than soc prices ex.... it's a good thing communism has fallen to the right to cheaper cheese and eggs. As for the tickets on the bus I found information only about Veliko Tarnovo, that in 2000 it was 40st, it means that in Sofia the public transport was cheaper than Veliko Tarnovo eh lies how to believe you about the other one?
You have internet checked the prices from 2000, which I told you, and you'il see. Write in a google price for oil or sugar in 2000.
My joinery and renovation are from the loan for housing, I deliberately took out a loan to buy and repair a home, a larger one, but I pay out 2-3 installments a month because I save, so I will repay the loan quickly and from interest I will save.
For the other thing, no matter how small bills you make, we live two times the cost of just £270 instead of starting at £9,000, so you don't have to pay the bill, you put a phone at $15 for both of us, and I've explained in detail that we have 16 2 in total, that is, 18BGN for phones, so that your bill should be correct for a phone to take 9 BGN from those 270.
If you don't understand me to say this: a normal life is not to save as much as I do to pay off the loan as quickly as possible, instead of 20 years I will pay it off for 7 years, but you say you're short of living with 500bgn and you don't have any time to rest. Since you can't make any more money, make the bill work, deprive yourself of someone working to have a break. I believe you can find a way to save, every day of the year you put $5 in one piggy bank, and here's your three-man break. I've decided for myself that I want to smoke more than I want to go to a hotel, so I give £1,820 a year for cigarettes. Yes, we get 3,650bgn out of our home for cigarettes a year, but it's our decision. The thing is, you live with a larger amount of us don't smoke and you don't have a break. You buy chemicals (soft drink and detergents) for 200 BGN per month the harms to your health with them, and it is possible to use a few preparations, stop the soft drink and go on holiday with this money. Only from there you can spend a few 150BGN at least and have a wonderful three-day holiday.
As I wrote above, don't look at these "consumer baskets" there include things you don't spend or at least don't buy every month.
I read, especially for you, how the "poverty threshold" is calculated The level of the median equivalent disposable income is determined. To this end, people or households in one country are divided into two equal parts so that 50% of them receive less than the income in question and the remaining 50% - above it. The poverty line for the country is defined as 60% of the level of the so-called median income.
I hope you understand that this has nothing to do with spending the money in a poor household. In other terms, the cleaner takes a salary of 510 BGN, you take 1500 lv, your median income of the two is 1005 LV, so the poverty line for you two is 603 BGN.
Ha, the cleaning lady from the example survives with 400bgn clean, so that's 34% less than the poverty line for you two.
43, but why did you think I was talking about Sophia? As for the downsizing, you forget about the denomination. You're either a hath or you're acting like one. I don't know what you were looking at on the net, but I remember very well, and even if I'm mistaken for one and another penny, you can't convince me that 2,000 prices were almost like now, because that's just not true. At the moment, the rent on the flat we used at the time would cost 300 bgn, and then we paid 60. If 60 and 300 for you are the same, then you're so smart.
And as you've noticed, I'm taking out the human expenses, not two, but you keep pretending to be a haha because you're hanging in your own lies. Cannell was 40. 'Cause 40's going to go visit you, and we can't even exchange data here. Come on, how can you live with under £10 a day NORMAL.
I haven't started since 900? Hello, are you serious? You said that when you take out cigarettes, beers and stuff like that, you're left with $270 per person? Did I pull beers and cigarettes out of those 270? You're making your own, then you're blaming me.
"normal life is not to save as much as I do"
Ah, that's a fairy tale. It came to mine. That's what I'm saying, but who's to listen to.
And as for being told somewhere, i don't know where, that was a little bit, you didn't understand me. My question was whether what we spend is normal or is a lot. I said it for the holiday so that you could compare the lifestyle with the cost and see where I was relative to others.
But I've been poisoning with soda is a problem. And I'm telling you again, I didn't claim to drink 24/7, I'm just setting it as an example. We buy a soft drink, for example, 3 times a month. I'm like, for example. You're taking things too literally. I don't know what you got so much for those soda and detergents.
I had to change some parts of the comp and i had a £200, the previous month I had to repair my phone, the front one had to change the wardrobe and buy summer shoes because my old ones were already worn out. And I don't mean shoes for 200 lv, but normal shoes for 30-40 lv, for example. Yes, I agree that there are for 20, but they do not last a year, and for 40 they last 3 and they come out cheaper to me. Otherwise original, but I buy them from England on promotion when they drop them to 40. Their real price is 200. So they're definitely worth the price.
Now june month there was a celebration of the child and we kept toys and separately she was at a performance, for which we were asked for things for about 50 BGN, which we had to take in besides the costumes. For example, hairspray, bun sponge, pins, hairpins and things. Apart from my cousin had a baby, I had to go - these are travel, gifts for the child, etc. I want to tell you that every month there is some such nonsense and there is no way not to buy. Some month, for example, the tax on the apartment must be paid, someday a month life insurance, because it is mandatory to the loan, someday month the property insurance. Someday will have a celebration, a birthday and things like that, someday we will be sick, some month something will change, some month clothes, shoes, some month at a wedding will be moved to walk and buy gifts, costumes, etc., some month, someday. I think you've become clearer.
As for the poverty line, I don't care how it's calculated, but the fact is that £330 is your threshold. Because when I make one check, just slices of pate to eat and bathe every once in a while and wash yourself up twice in the year 2-3 times at least, you're going to make those 330. Roughly. Now I will not argue about 5-10-20 bgn, but about as much. Who takes how much, it doesn't matter, just look at the prices in the shops and make a vague account that under about 300 lv is no longer life, only existence, not to say survival. Once again, please, don't make a fool of me because I'm not.
And now you're saying that you didn't care.
If with 300 BGN is only survival, remember that in Bulgaria live grandmothers on 200 BGN pension and adult disabled whose pension is 137 BGN. These people with this money survive, and life-saving drugs buy, why don't you ask how the trick works if you don't trust me that's possible? I personally know a single disabled woman with a disability pension, and she's alive, and a cat is raising. Yes, he lives very badly, but he manages to come alive. 20 days ago I went to her house to see her boil her to eat and you know what she ate 1 fried egg with a green onion salad, yes only onions /was reduced to 15 st. Maybe the woman's having lunch for 35-50st, her life has taught her.
Well, I said it, it could be $100 to "live." It has a snare that makes $20, for sure. Africa, let's not talk. I don't deny that a lot of people are forced to do it, but that's not the point. I didn't mean that kind of "life." The fact that there are many of them in Bulgaria, forced to do so, can only make me sad.
You're trying to get him out that anyone who doesn't live below the poverty line is hardly a spiller.
PS: I did not say that the threshold does not interest me, and I do not care how it is considered. I said that $300 is really about the threshold in my accounts.
First of all, I never called you a spiller, you call yourself that, spend a man who's in your way, after all, the money you spend, I believe it's yours.
Secondly, let's make it easy to understand that from normal to normal there are thousands of differences. It is normal for a millionaire to have a mansion, butler and servants, it is normal for you to buy your child medicines for 1800 bgn per year, it is normal for me to smoke 1800 BGN per year. For anyone in normal to spend according to their income and desires.
The difference between all these people who live according to our understanding of normality is that only you feel insecure about your decisions, in your spending, and asking people if you are right and why you can't afford more things. Find someone who can pay more attention to you and tell you that you have to choose which of the things you want and save on something else, and you start insulting him for being a hacho liar and whatever, just because I have different from your understanding and when I want to own something, with deprivation, but I do it quite quickly than others. I'm going to keep saving my place 3 times faster, paying a lot less interest, and i'm going to be calm, because I can do two and 200, but you can't, and if you ever have to wilt on the first step, it's your problem.
You make up insults and blame me, and I've never offended or accused. I'm talking to you and when I say "This of course if you live within your means" or are you comfortable with the important first part of the sentence and say that you're the one who called you buy phones from 1,000lv, but why are you offended by an offensive word, or do you say you have a phone for 1,000 lv? Since you didn't say you had a wire for 1,000 lv, why do you think it's an insult to you? It's not offensive for a person to have a phone and for £50,000 adorned with gems, if they want people to have, if it's their best, why are you offended?
You read and make up accusations that something you said "leans on me" doesn't mean I call you fat, read it again? If I wanted to call someone fat, wouldn't I? My sentence has a whole different meaning that too many calories are bought for 500BGN.
Your comparison of a salary of 400 BGN with a salary of 2-3000 BGN. Well, who in Bulgaria takes 400LV isn't that the net minimum, isn't that the salary of a cleaner? Who abroad takes 2-3000 euros does there is such a net minimum in Europe? Why are you comparing them? What have I accused you of? What offensive word have I used?
For 1800 BGN for medicines, I deliberately tell you this, because I think it is not true of a child who suffers only from normal childhood diseases in kindergarten. To tell us that treating a cold, snot or angina costs you 300bgn and that it happens to you "every other month". Didn't the people who read you buy drugs for a child with angina that they don't know how much the treatment costs? Tell me i poured the pharmacy for syrups or antibiotic and probiotic, with immunostimulants 50-80LV but where are 300LV and how your child gets sick every month for 300 BGN treatment.
What can I deal with, you're going to get offended again without writing insults.
"why are you offended if there is an offensive word, or did you say you had a phone for 1000lv"
I wish I knew, brother. Is that because your comment is directed at me? You obviously don't want to offend, but you're inconsiderate without realizing it. Just read your one more time and put yourself on mine to see how they sound.
For 500 lev, too many calories were bought. Are you all right? I can buy mushrooms for 1,000 levs. Are they going to have calories again? For food quality, have you heard that you automatically put a draw between levs and calories. You're out of class, man, hide now.
Are you normal? Where did I write about a $400 minimum wage? I wrote 400 euros, read, man, read that you're teasing me. I compared the euro to euros. For your information in Germany, the average salary by city ranges from about 2000 to almost 3,000 euros. Stop teasing me with fictional things and putting words on. I'm telling you, read, read, read, read and read, and mostly THINK, before you write nonsense and make non-stop speeches.
Are you just for the meds, man? I've told you 1,000 times that when he starts to get sick, he doesn't stop and a few antibiotics change. One antibiotic is about 40-50 bgn to it buy various ancuterial plus sprays and such things for the throat. Here are 2-3 more things at $20 each. And by turning 3 courses of treatment one after the other, how many do they get?
Your statement is offensive. How can you accuse me of making up my child sick? I'm telling you again, be careful what you say, because fate has a habit of showing you first-person.
And then he didn't offend. Do you think a normal person will lie about sickening their child? If you mean it, then I'm convinced once again that you're a haha. Pray you don't understand it first-time. That's all I'm going to tell you. That when I look at you for how "smart" and inconsiderate you are, you wouldn't otherwise understand it.
Then I'il laugh at you for giving you two grand a year and that this is normal for you. You're funny.
Why don't you read what you wrote to me and put yourself in my shoes? I don't insult and offend, you insult with epitheti right pointed at me, and I don't roar like you.
You wrote exactly "ours are 400."
If I told you my salary was 3,200, what currency would you think it was? I believe no one will think I'm writing about Afghans.
I didn't say you made up your child sick at that age, and you're making up the amount you give to treat his colds. Three courses of treatment means three antibiotics a month, huh? Aren't those your statements and what's going to come up? Tell me which doctor writes them to a child? If there is such a doctor, it is prosecuted. Not to mention that it is not true that antibiotics are 50 BGN, if you claim to be so listed 5-6 antibiotics at a price of 50 BGN, check their prices on the net to convince ourselves /I believe that if you dig enough into the net you will find 1 antibiotic at the price of 50 BGN, so I want you to say at least 5 types/. Children for angina antibiotics are priced at 12-22 BGN.
I'm not ashamed, nor am I offended to say something that I've said is the case. If you want, try to offend me with the smoker epitheta.
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